Tweets - June 26th - Jacqui

@RevJacquiLewis

I will admit, I had to do a double-take when I saw your face pop up beside Jesse Peterson's face. I don't normally see his videos pop up in my Youtube feed, but I suppose since I've seen a few of his videos in the past, and I've seen some of yours, it showed up.

My reaction: "What in the world?! She must not be acquainted with his interviews." I imagine that a bit of deception via omission was involved in getting you on his show.

It's one of those lessons learned situations, I'm sure. But the part of the interview that struck me, and the reason I even cared to post this, was the end of the interview. You said to Jesse that you weren't comfortable and you wanted to end the interview.

Jesse does not love others as he loves himself - this was all the more clear and evident to me when you said you weren't comfortable and you wanted to stop, and he completely disregarded your request (treating you in a way he would never want to be treated himself).

As you know "fierce love" begins with loving yourself. My advice (unsolicited, I know), when someone tells you through their actions that they don't truly care about you (in whatever way), then leave. Unless you have an obligation to stay, just roll out.

If you stay, you're likely going to get hurt and feel the need to fight (argue, debate, defend). No part of the conversation from then on will be anything other than a battle.

Since you didn't leave, Jesse (caring nothing about your discomfort) was able to charm and sweet-talk you ("if you're still uncomfortable, let me know"), drag on the conversation, ask you another question, and then mock your answer ("Obama causing the insurrection" -- he knew what you were talking about -- and lied to you and the audience by acting like he didn't know you were talking about Trump).

By staying and feeling the urge to defend yourself (I could see it on your face), you began making excuses on timing and how the interview was supposed to end at 4, and this being the reason you now wanted to leave (especially when he began picking at you saying you're "running away"). I thought your excuses were going to give him even more ammo because (it appeared to me) you became deceptive yourself, and I thought he was going to catch on and use it against you. (If you truly had been enjoying the conversation with a polite and pleasant person, would you still have needed to end at 4?)

I'm also aware of that internal conflict of caring about how you treat others (such as not hanging up on someone) and caring about how they're treating you.

But Jesse cannot treat you in ways he would want to be treated himself; his portion in life (total despair), and his theology and the interpretation of your scriptures teach him that he does not have to. What more is there to say at that point?

I would suggest you don't go back on his show - at least not to talk about the work you do.

He may mock you for it and try to incite you by calling you a lying pastor (since you said you wanted to reschedule), but this is the lesson and consequence of dealing with him after he told you plainly - through deed - that he doesn't give a shit about you.